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00:00Roberto Carlos, thank you very much for attending.
00:02Thank you very much.
00:02It's a pleasure.
00:03Well, let's talk about Ronaldo and let's talk about his history.
00:07How are in Brazil the football camps, the neighborhoods,
00:11where they play like Ronaldo,
00:14that they are looking for a exit and they find it through the football?
00:16How are those neighborhoods?
00:17In our time, there were land camps.
00:22There were no camps like now,
00:23in all clubs, in canteras,
00:26and there were so green camps.
00:28And we practically came out of the village and barro,
00:34because we are from a people
00:37and I think that,
00:41by training and playing in bad camps,
00:44it has made us a lot improve our technical quality.
00:47And Ronnie comes from a small town, San Cristobal.
00:53And all the history of Ronnie begins in San Cristobal,
00:59in a very small club,
01:01with a very humble family.
01:05And there it is.
01:06The story of Ronnie begins to be beautiful,
01:09because he suffered at the beginning,
01:11to have all this importance in the world of football.
01:16For many of those young people,
01:17the football may be the only exit,
01:19the misery, the poverty,
01:20that they live in their villages.
01:22Normally, yes.
01:23Normally, yes.
01:24When I came home, I told my father,
01:25I came back with a little bit of money to help you.
01:27Ronnie has been the same.
01:29The reference, of course,
01:30he has several brothers,
01:32but the reference of the house has been he.
01:35He came very young,
01:37then came to Europe,
01:38to the PSV,
01:40to get a good contract.
01:42In Brazil, we are like that.
01:44We are young people
01:45to always think about the family.
01:47What do you think of Brazil,
01:49to offer such good players?
01:51Why are you one of the main players of the planet?
01:53What makes you different?
01:55I don't know.
01:57It's not just being football players
02:00or growing in players with good teams.
02:03I think the preparation
02:04comes from the technical team.
02:07If you have the lucky
02:08to be able to play in a team,
02:10and you have in each club
02:12their way to work
02:13and teach a child to play football,
02:15with your quality,
02:16you go forward.
02:18I think that
02:19our growth as a player
02:20begins with plastic balls
02:25or very old balls
02:26and you obligate
02:28to improve your quality.
02:29From there comes the luck
02:30of being a football player.
02:32There is no secret.
02:33There is luck,
02:33there is work
02:35and insisting
02:37on believing
02:38that you can be a football player
02:40and one day
02:40you get things out.
02:42When is the first time
02:43you hear a guy
02:45who plays football
02:46and is a young promise
02:47and he is called
02:48Ronaldo Nazario.
02:49When did you hear him?
02:50I think in 1992
02:54when he started
02:55on the Cruzeiro,
02:56he already talked about it.
02:57And of course,
02:58when he started playing
02:59on the first team,
03:00there were all the games
03:01on television.
03:02He was playing
03:02and I had in my mind
03:06in the first time
03:07to coincide with him
03:09in some part
03:11against him.
03:12But the first time
03:13we were together
03:14was with a
03:15part of the Brazilian selector
03:16in the same room.
03:19I focused on him
03:20and there was
03:21all our history
03:23always together.
03:24In some way,
03:25you can say
03:25that you have shared
03:26more room
03:26with Ronaldo
03:28than with you.
03:28He said he.
03:29He said he.
03:30He said he.
03:31He said he.
03:32But it's fun.
03:35I've learned a lot
03:36from him.
03:37Ronnie has been chosen
03:38the best in the world
03:39very young.
03:40And I tried to look
03:43a lot
03:43to know
03:44how to be the number
03:45one in the world.
03:47I spoke a lot
03:47with him.
03:48I asked many opinions.
03:50and the people
03:51when they ask me
03:52what's your best friend?
03:53I don't have a friend.
03:55I have a brother.
03:56And Ronnie
03:56is considered
03:57a brother for me
03:58because we grew together
04:00and we have had
04:03incredible moments
04:04and few moments
04:06bad moments
04:06where one
04:07hugged the other
04:08and we encouraged
04:09us.
04:10It has been
04:11for me
04:12a huge reference
04:13in my career
04:14as a person.
04:15What has made you
04:15inseparable?
04:16You know very young.
04:17How did you
04:17have maintained
04:18for decades
04:18this amistad?
04:19The adulthood
04:20sincerity
04:20and honesty
04:23trying to be
04:24more positive
04:25one with the other.
04:27What he said
04:28he.
04:29To be more time
04:30in the room
04:31than with his own family
04:33and with his wife
04:34has made us
04:36a bit more
04:37freedom.
04:38He participated
04:39with my life
04:40and I participated
04:41too much
04:42in the room
04:42because he wanted to know
04:43everything.
04:44You had to be a great
04:46friend of the room.
04:47I have understood that it's very fun, everyone coincide with that.
04:49Yes, it's very funny.
04:51Now it's a more serious person, because it changes a little bit his history
04:56from the field to the outside of the field,
04:58being a president, a man of business...
05:02But when I see him, I smile and I forget that he's a president.
05:07But the way of living with him is very intelligent,
05:12he doesn't talk much.
05:13When I see him, I think, Ronaldo doesn't study.
05:16He speaks several languages, he knows many things,
05:19he's a great father of my family, a great person.
05:22He has improved a lot with me, because I teach him to be like that.
05:26You have also said that Ronaldo taught you how to behave.
05:29Yes.
05:30What sense?
05:32Because I separated myself after 12 years,
05:35and I thought that the world would end in two days.
05:38I didn't have much limits, and one day I called him to his house,
05:41it was 5 in the afternoon, and I said,
05:42look, calm down, calm down a little bit,
05:44because I went through that before,
05:46and by little bit my career didn't end.
05:48So if I need something, I'm here,
05:50or I'm going to your house, or whatever.
05:52It was a lot of advice.
05:53I was going to give you advice.
05:56And he was the person who put me in line.
06:01He said, it's better to do this, because if not,
06:03you're not going to play well, you're going to be there
06:05always with the lost hours, there's training,
06:08trips, and you're not going to be there.
06:10Then come with me, we'll grow together.
06:14We'll be always together.
06:15You were a good psychologist.
06:16You were a good friend.
06:18You were a good friend.
06:18Very good.
06:19I always say, my best friend of all I have,
06:22and my reference as a person.
06:24Hey, I'm going to ask you if he's a fan of football
06:27as aficion.
06:27I'm going to say that the injuries
06:28were broken, and I understand that
06:31the practice of sports is like tennis,
06:32but the football doesn't play.
06:34He's a lot of it.
06:35It's hard.
06:36It's difficult for a player who has always played in the elite
06:39with a lot of pressure.
06:42In the case of him, he has injured the two injuries.
06:44The problem with Ronnie is not here.
06:45It's here.
06:47He uses a lot of the head.
06:49Of course, in the games he played,
06:51with the power of the ball that he had,
06:53and the fast movements that he had,
06:55it's a little bit of a bit.
06:57And that's where it comes from.
06:59It's completely broken one and then the other.
07:03But I think that he has done a lot for football.
07:06He doesn't have to lose.
07:07I have to lose because I always want to play.
07:09But he has been looking for another way
07:12to be very close to football,
07:15but being the chief,
07:16the one who controls,
07:17the one who controls,
07:18and for him, he comes very well.
07:19Me gives the feeling
07:20that he never got nervous before a game.
07:22I've seen images of him before the game,
07:24of important games,
07:26of finales of a World Cup,
07:26and he saw him smile.
07:27He seemed nervous.
07:28There are people who are born with this gift.
07:32Although the football player
07:33knows what he did later,
07:35when he leaves the football.
07:36And you look back and see
07:38everything that has happened.
07:39And Ronnie, what he wanted
07:40was to play in the field,
07:41play in the field,
07:42play in the field,
07:43play in the field,
07:43play in the world of football,
07:47not only in Brazil.
07:48And I think that his father,
07:51Seonelio,
07:53helped him a lot.
07:55There was a good communication
07:57between his father and Sonia
08:00so that Ronnie,
08:03with everything that exists around him,
08:06he felt more important than the others.
08:09You, your life, your world,
08:10if you need something,
08:11we are here.
08:12The reference of Ronnie
08:13has been the family.
08:14And that family
08:15has made him grow
08:16as a man
08:17and as a football player.
08:18You came to Europe,
08:19you gave that leap,
08:20but you go to the Real Madrid
08:22and he goes to the Barça.
08:23Yes.
08:23How did you take it?
08:25I don't know
08:25how did you take it?
08:26How did you take that separation?
08:28We were always talking
08:28on the phone.
08:29I wanted a lot of luck.
08:31When we played against him,
08:33I always told him
08:34that if he went to the other side,
08:36and when he came to me,
08:38we started to cry
08:38during the game,
08:39the people didn't see it on the TV,
08:41but there were reasons.
08:42We started to tell the story
08:43within the game,
08:44but he was very careful
08:45to everything.
08:47It's been very difficult
08:50against him.
08:51And,
08:51less than anything,
08:52I'm not central.
08:53I've always been on the left side.
08:55Imagine,
08:55I had to mark a Ronnie.
08:57I suffered.
08:59But I think that
09:00that's Ronald.
09:02That's a reference
09:02for the kids,
09:03that reference
09:04as a person,
09:05as a story.
09:06And it's fun
09:07when you go to your house
09:09and open the door
09:11and you see
09:12all the gold medals,
09:13all the titles
09:14that he won.
09:15It's more than merecido.
09:17All the beautiful
09:17that he has made
09:18in his history,
09:19both in and out of the field.
09:20Roberto,
09:21I know that in the year 2002,
09:22Ronaldo won a gold medal
09:24and you are in second place.
09:26How do you take this?
09:27I went to his house,
09:28I took the gold medal
09:28and put it in my house.
09:29He said,
09:31I got four titles
09:32this season
09:33and you didn't win any.
09:34So give me that
09:34this gold medal is mine.
09:36I bought a gold medal
09:38to put it in my house.
09:40I laughed a lot
09:40about that moment
09:41because he was
09:42this whole season
09:43without playing.
09:45But he gave us
09:46the title of the world champion.
09:48Nothing better than that.
09:49I don't have the gold medal,
09:51I do have the gold medal,
09:53but it's been him.
09:54I think that
09:54all the difficulties
09:55that he had
09:55in this recovery.
09:57And in 53 days
09:59of pre-season
10:00and the World
10:01he put two goals
10:02in the final.
10:03He put seven goals
10:04in this world
10:04and he gave us
10:06the most joy
10:07to the Brazilian
10:08that he was the champion of the world.
10:09Well, I know
10:09that in Brazil
10:10football is a religion,
10:11but I've heard
10:13the legend
10:13that four years ago
10:15when you lost the final
10:15against France
10:17you had to give
10:17an explanation
10:18to the congressman
10:18to the congressman.
10:20That's true.
10:21There was a CPI
10:23to know
10:24what had happened.
10:25Because in Brazil
10:25people believed
10:26that we had
10:27sold the final
10:28to France.
10:29And I was one
10:30of the
10:32called
10:32to declare
10:33I don't know why.
10:36But Brazil
10:37is like that.
10:38When something bad happens
10:40I always find
10:41a culpable.
10:41I've always been the culpable
10:43of the defeat.
10:43I take the responsibility
10:45because I was one
10:46of the captain.
10:47I also want to ask
10:47that Ronaldo
10:48was a phenomenon
10:49of nature.
10:51But he didn't like
10:52to train.
10:53He liked to play
10:54at football.
10:54At a time
10:55to play.
10:57It depends on the day.
10:58On the lunes,
10:59for example,
10:59he didn't like to train.
11:01But on the martes,
11:02on the jueves,
11:03on the weekends,
11:04on the weekends,
11:04on the weekends,
11:04on the weekends.
11:05So on the lunes,
11:06the problem of Ronnie
11:07was called
11:07the lunes.
11:09But he also trained
11:10a bit with us.
11:12For at least
11:13to move a bit,
11:14to move a bit.
11:16Ronnie was very special.
11:17And we,
11:18knowing that he
11:20brought us
11:21the financial bonus
11:24and we left
11:25to rest,
11:26because we knew
11:27that Sunday and Sunday
11:27we would always put
11:28goals.
11:29In the arrival
11:30of Ronaldo
11:31to the Real Madrid,
11:32you have a lot of
11:33to do with that?
11:34Because the legend
11:35told you
11:35that you were very excited
11:37when you were in Italy,
11:38even when you were in the Barça,
11:40that his dreams
11:41as footballer
11:42could be fulfilled
11:43in the Real Madrid.
11:44I did.
11:45But you did
11:46to get to the Real Madrid
11:47or did you?
11:48I told you the truth.
11:49I told you the truth.
11:50When you are a symbol
11:52of a club,
11:53of the greatness
11:53that the Real Madrid has,
11:55to your good friends
11:56in football
11:57and to the best
11:59of the world,
11:59we have all the possibilities
12:02to improve even more.
12:04I had the luck,
12:06the fortune,
12:07the joy,
12:08the joy
12:08to be able to wear
12:09this shirt.
12:11And of course
12:11I wanted to have
12:12my friend and brother
12:13at my side.
12:14I just said,
12:16Ronnie,
12:17this club
12:17is spectacular.
12:18I understand
12:19that the clubs
12:19that he has played
12:20or that he is playing
12:22are very good,
12:23but the Real Madrid
12:24is the only one.
12:25You don't want to know.
12:27And that's where
12:28the possibilities
12:29came out.
12:30And I was happy
12:31that he could wear
12:34that shirt
12:34in the first game
12:35against the Alavés
12:36against the first game
12:37against the Alavés.
12:37He put a goal
12:38that he controls.
12:39I put the ball
12:41to him,
12:41he controls it
12:42in the area.
12:45And we have
12:46a lot of life
12:47here.
12:47In that
12:48against the Alavés,
12:49that was his first
12:49part in the Santiago Bernabéu,
12:51he received a
12:51ovation.
12:52The people
12:53expected it.
12:54The Bernabéu
12:56idolates a lot
12:57of his idols.
12:58I remember
12:58that the people
12:59came to the stadium
12:59two hours before,
13:00two hours and a half,
13:01to see the arrival
13:02of the stadium
13:03knowing that Ronnie
13:04was inside the bus
13:05with black crystals.
13:07But people knew
13:08that he was there.
13:08It was a very special day
13:10for him
13:10and for us.
13:11During the six years
13:13that he was in the Real Madrid
13:14coincided,
13:14you know,
13:15you know,
13:15you know,
13:16you know,
13:16you know,
13:18a Zidane,
13:19a Figo,
13:20a Beckham.
13:20How did he go
13:21to that galactic vest?
13:23He adapted very quickly
13:24because he likes
13:25the games,
13:26he likes to be able
13:27to be able
13:28to be able
13:28to meet him
13:30because he knew
13:34that Ronnie
13:34was unique.
13:35Until today,
13:36the best players
13:37of the world
13:38ask him
13:39what has been
13:39the reference?
13:40Ronaldo.
13:41Who has been the best?
13:42Ronaldo.
13:43Why Ronaldo?
13:44Because he has been
13:44the only one.
13:45Because he has been
13:45the one who gave
13:49the spectacle
13:50and the people
13:51went to the field
13:51to see him.
13:52But the vestuario
13:53did it like this.
13:54He hugged him,
13:55he felt a pleasure,
13:57he learned a little
13:58and learned a little
13:58about the culture
13:59and how he lived here
14:01in Real Madrid.
14:03And I'm happy.
14:05Until today,
14:06I continue to talk
14:06very well
14:07about the club
14:07and for us
14:08it's an enormous
14:10joy
14:11to know
14:12that the years
14:12he was here,
14:13he felt like
14:14in his home.
14:14It's true,
14:15Roberto,
14:16that Beckham
14:17learned more
14:17Portuguese than Spanish
14:18during those years
14:20because he lived
14:20close to you
14:21and was all the day
14:22with you.
14:23And at the end,
14:24he managed better
14:24Portuguese than Spanish.
14:25Yes, yes.
14:27He spoke a little
14:28more Portuguese.
14:29But it was fun
14:30to see Beckham
14:31trying to speak
14:32Portuguese
14:32and we were
14:34his teachers.
14:35What does that mean?
14:36How do you say?
14:37I'm not going to remember
14:38the phrase
14:39that Beckham said
14:40in English.
14:41Because the English
14:42of Beckham
14:42is very closed.
14:43And many times
14:44he didn't understand.
14:45It's ironic,
14:46speaking English
14:46he didn't understand.
14:50But Beckham
14:51wanted to
14:51be close to us
14:52because
14:53our way of being
14:54and for...
14:55The Brazilian
14:55we are like that.
14:57More close.
14:58More close.
15:00Not that the Spanish
15:01or the French
15:02are not.
15:03No.
15:04The Brazilian
15:04has the habit of
15:06music
15:06to be always happy.
15:08In the bad moments
15:09they don't show
15:10to your friend
15:10or your family
15:11that you are sad.
15:12We have the ability
15:16to open
15:17a little heart
15:18to a person
15:19who wants
15:20to be close to us.
15:21To always hug.
15:22always.
15:23It seems like
15:24he liked to go out.
15:25No,
15:26he didn't go out much.
15:27He had more
15:28fiestas in his house.
15:30It was more at home.
15:32I remember
15:32when we came here
15:33there were a lot of
15:34paparazzi
15:34from the time of Beckham.
15:35What we did was
15:36a discotheque
15:37in the house of Ronnie
15:37and a discotheque
15:38in my house.
15:39So,
15:39all the people
15:40who were at the discotheque
15:40came to our house.
15:42A day
15:42on the morning
15:43on the morning
15:43on the morning
15:44on the morning
15:45and we were doing
15:47the difference.
15:48You were the best
15:49of the people
15:49who organized the best
15:51fiestas.
15:51We were perfect.
15:54We were perfectly
15:56organized.
15:57You were the best
15:57to feel like
15:58you were in a discotheque
15:59but without cameras.
16:01How did you have
16:01the pressure
16:02of the heart?
16:03Because it's true
16:03that in the time of Beckham
16:05there was much more
16:05of the heart than ever.
16:07How did you have that?
16:07Very calm.
16:09We organized well.
16:11It could have been worse.
16:14But we had to think
16:16very quickly.
16:17Beckham had his life
16:18and us
16:18our own.
16:20When Beckham wanted
16:21to have his life
16:22more calm
16:22he put the car
16:24inside the house
16:25and he felt
16:25very comfortable.
16:26It was a little
16:27pressure.
16:28And I and Ronnie
16:29put one security
16:30in the corner
16:31and another security
16:32in the other.
16:33So when he came
16:34with the car
16:35they told us
16:36they were inside.
16:37So we closed the music
16:38and we disconnected
16:39the lights
16:40from the discotheque
16:41and everything was quiet.
16:42Fíjate that
16:42Vicente El Bosque
16:43nos asegura
16:44in a interview
16:45that Ronaldo
16:46unía a lot
16:47to the vestuario.
16:48But then Capello
16:49said the opposite.
16:50He said that
16:50it was a tension
16:51in the vestuario.
16:53What happened?
16:54Ronnie
16:56was in the same way.
16:57Then Capello
16:58which has always been
16:59very direct.
17:01And that
17:02this problem
17:03came because
17:04we defended
17:05a lot.
17:06and we talked
17:07with the
17:07mister
17:07and he said
17:08no,
17:09I'm not going to understand
17:10because here
17:10it has to be like
17:11that.
17:12But there was never
17:13conflict.
17:14There was never
17:14conflict.
17:15There was always
17:16conversations
17:17with the maximum respect
17:18from Ronnie
17:19and us
17:20to the mister
17:21at the moment
17:22of the conversation.
17:23And then
17:25he said
17:26mister
17:26sorry
17:26mister
17:27mister
17:29perdona
17:30perdona mister.
17:31the
17:31people
17:32know exactly
17:33how it is.
17:34I'm sure
17:35that
17:35today
17:37are very serious.
17:39They don't
17:39get married
17:40because they are a
17:41reference.
17:41it's not fun
17:42to find a
17:43player in a bar
17:44and you
17:45know
17:45when they were
17:47young
17:47they were
17:47the same.
17:49I think
17:51it's better
17:52but how
17:53it's better
17:53if you had
17:5526
17:55or 27 years
17:57they were the same.
17:57that's
17:58normal.
18:00How
18:00do you have
18:00criticism and pressure
18:01through the media
18:02communication?
18:03Because in a moment
18:04a Ronaldo
18:05he started to criticize
18:05for his
18:06state.
18:06There are
18:07periodists
18:07that call him
18:08that call him.
18:11At that time
18:12I remember
18:14we had photos
18:15of the periodists
18:16that were called
18:16Ronaldo
18:17and he was more
18:18gourd than Ronaldo.
18:20We were laughing.
18:22It gave us more
18:22force.
18:23The criticism
18:24makes you better.
18:25It's not a critic
18:26towards you.
18:27If someone
18:28makes you a comment
18:30that you don't
18:31be a good
18:31after a game
18:32of your physical way
18:34what would you do?
18:35You can do more
18:35you can do more
18:37you can do more
18:38you can do more
18:39you can do more
18:39you can do more
18:39as a player
18:40as a player.
18:43I have to ask you
18:44about the curious
18:45cut of hair
18:45that was made
18:46in a moment.
18:47It was a cut of hair
18:47ridiculous.
18:51It's also
18:52the legend
18:52that
18:53that was
18:53for not to call
18:55attention
18:55on his physical way
18:56that he didn't call
18:57him.
18:57That was
18:58that time
19:01the cut of hair
19:03was more
19:03for a contract
19:04that he had.
19:05He had a contract
19:05with a label
19:07and that's why
19:09people don't know
19:09but I knew
19:10it was nothing
19:11about his physical way.
19:13Ronnie
19:13felt like
19:14with 70kg
19:16with a 90kg
19:17was the same
19:18and he put it
19:19because it was
19:19a superstition
19:20and at the same time
19:22money in the
19:23account.
19:23Ronnie
19:24has been the guy
19:25who has won the most money
19:26in the world of football
19:27because he knew exactly
19:28where to do
19:29with the people
19:30I didn't want to
19:32lose his contract
19:33but it was
19:34his way
19:35to play
19:35and his goals.
19:37I think
19:38that even
19:39time
19:39he was asking
19:40for the cut of hair
19:41because many children
19:42wanted to
19:43do
19:43and the mother
19:44was horror.
19:45No, my parents
19:46are not.
19:47More than
19:48those who are
19:49the idol of Ronnie.
19:51I think
19:52it was a beautiful time
19:53because
19:54when
19:55you saw the images
19:57and the children
19:58in Brazil
19:59with the hair
19:59I don't know
20:00how a father can
20:01do that.
20:03I saw them
20:05and I said
20:06...
20:07A ver,
20:08there's a question
20:09I want to ask you
20:09about how fun it was
20:11and how fun it was
20:11and how fun it was
20:12because it was famous
20:13for a great event
20:14like his boda
20:15with Daniela Ciccarelli
20:16in a castle in France.
20:18Is it true
20:18that the cure
20:19was an actor?
20:20It was an actor.
20:21People believed
20:22that he was a real cure.
20:24It was an actor.
20:25It was not a boda
20:26it was an event.
20:28It was a big event.
20:31It was a big event.
20:31With the structure
20:32that there was.
20:33I think
20:34it was the third
20:35boda
20:35of Ronnie
20:38and we went
20:39all over there.
20:41But you know
20:42that we
20:43at that time
20:44we were
20:44we started to
20:45make a mess
20:47to know
20:47how long
20:48he would be able
20:48to be married.
20:50How long?
20:52I, as always.
20:54I think
20:55it was before
20:55the game
20:55against the Barca.
20:56I don't know well.
20:58I know
20:59that the weekend
20:59the game
21:00went wrong.
21:01the team
21:01and the guilt
21:02has been for the boda.
21:03They said
21:04that the boda
21:05was hurt.
21:06Yes.
21:09He went down
21:09the stairs
21:10and I think
21:10it was bad.
21:11But then
21:12we recovered.
21:13We recovered well.
21:15Still doing
21:15the fiestas?
21:16No.
21:17Now he's a serious person.
21:18Do you ask him?
21:19No.
21:20Look at the two.
21:21I ask him.
21:22And he?
21:23No.
21:24No.
21:25No, no.
21:26No, no, no.
21:28And Roberto,
21:29what are the reasons
21:30that he finally left
21:31from the Real Madrid?
21:32Why?
21:34Why do you decide to move?
21:35Well, it's a decision
21:36of each one.
21:37I also went to 2007
21:38for my decision.
21:39I believe
21:40I had already given
21:41the club
21:41what the club
21:44asked me.
21:45And Ronnie
21:46has his ideas
21:48that happens
21:48with many players
21:49when you get
21:50everything
21:51you put in a list.
21:52I want to be
21:53champion of the league
21:54of the Champions.
21:55that Ronnie didn't have achieved here,
21:58to be the best in the world, to play with the best,
22:00and when he didn't have anything else to do,
22:02he went to look for another solution
22:04and I think he went well.
22:05To look for other challenges.
22:06Of course.
22:07That's better.
22:07Can you be the only one that has left in the Real Madrid
22:10and not have won with the Blanco team a champion?
22:12It can be.
22:14But if he gives me the gold ball,
22:17I give him one of the champions that I have.
22:20It's very easy to put in his museum.
22:23I don't have the gold ball yet.
22:26I have a small one.
22:26But he gives me the real one,
22:29and I give him the champions
22:31and he puts it there.
22:32No problem.
22:34These images are terrible in which
22:35you can break the shoulder for the second time.
22:38We still remember the screams in the field.
22:40The rope has been here.
22:42Completely.
22:43The legs...
22:44Well, it was terrible.
22:45I want to ask you,
22:47did you change a lot in that moment?
22:48Did you worry?
22:49Because he was a jovial man,
22:50he had a serious injury,
22:52a serious injury,
22:53that puts even in danger
22:53his future in the football.
22:55He trained a lot.
22:56What he wanted to do
22:57was to find a person
22:58who had his physio
23:00and he wanted to find a good doctor
23:02to work again.
23:05He was like that.
23:06It was Bruno Maciotti,
23:07if I was wrong,
23:08the fisioterapeuta that he had.
23:09Yes, Maciotti.
23:10And that guy
23:11he had a lot of pain.
23:13He suffered.
23:14He suffered a lot with him
23:15for the recovery.
23:18And Bruno has been one of the people
23:22responsible for putting him.
23:23When the people,
23:25the minority,
23:26the critics,
23:27he put him as ex-jogador,
23:28he recovered,
23:30he puts his goals
23:30and he's champion of the world.
23:33This is the life of a footballer.
23:34Do you think it's easy to be a footballer?
23:36No.
23:37No.
23:37No, of course.
23:39And then,
23:39it's true that he suffered
23:40many physical mistakes.
23:41Many.
23:42Of the injuries,
23:43infiltrations, etc.
23:45I don't do so,
23:45because I've never been injured.
23:47You've had a lot of luck.
23:48Caramba,
23:48I had to go to the ball,
23:50I jumped,
23:51I anticipated.
23:53Ronnie played a lot of the back.
23:54So, the movements that he did
23:56were completely...
23:57I always played the front.
23:58And Ronnie had to hold the body,
24:00jump,
24:01and many shots.
24:03One of the reasons
24:04that he doesn't want to suffer more.
24:07Of course,
24:08he refers to the physical suffering.
24:09I keep suffering,
24:10because I'm still in the world of football.
24:13Ronnie suffers a little bit,
24:15but he lives a completely different life
24:17from when I was here,
24:19in the Verde.
24:20Could he have reached a lot more far
24:21without those injuries?
24:22If he would have respected the knees?
24:24No.
24:25No.
24:26He reached his maximum.
24:27He reached everything I wanted to do.
24:32I wanted to be like Ronnie.
24:34And if he reached like Ronnie,
24:37I would have finished my career
24:38when he was 29 or 30 years old.
24:40That's why I was still at the 39 years old.
24:42To try to be Ronnie,
24:43I was going to be a little bit
24:44of a career.
24:45You surprised me the change,
24:47suddenly,
24:47to be a football player,
24:48to preside a football team,
24:51like in the case of Real Valladolid?
24:52No.
24:52No, no me surpreendio nada.
24:53Porque yo sabía exactamente
24:54que Ronnie era ya un tío de negocios.
24:57En todos los viajes que hacíamos,
24:58llevaba su ordenador
24:59y ahí empezaba a trabajar.
25:01Yo sabía, estaba seguro.
25:03Entrenador, no.
25:04Pero como director,
25:06deportivo,
25:06presidente de un club,
25:07yo estaba seguro
25:08que eso podría pasar.
25:09How do you see him doing his role?
25:11I see him well. He's suffering a little.
25:14It's normal that a president can be champion and suffer the season
25:18and when he goes bad, he's suffering the same.
25:21But I see him prepared for everything that he thinks about Valladolid,
25:28to do it.
25:29He has good fiches,
25:31maintaining a team with great players, good trainers,
25:35part of marketing very well surrounded.
25:39I see him very well, he's very prepared to grow more as president.
25:44You still have contact with him?
25:45Todos the days.
25:47Except when he disappears for a week,
25:50because we don't know if he's in Brazil, Ibiza, Valladolid, Dubai,
25:54he travels a lot, many businesses.
25:57Rony is very ready.
25:59Yeah, I see.
26:00Well, to travel a lot, I always like.
26:01I've always understood that in the Real Madrid,
26:02you coincide with the players in the private airport,
26:05where they are private, because you were going to see Formula 1,
26:09you were going to see a lot of them.
26:10Yes, yes, yes.
26:11We were four or five that we had in the organization.
26:16If we win the games, there was a trip.
26:18If we win or we lose, we didn't go.
26:21And we always win.
26:21We always win.
26:23Now, it was important that the game was Saturday,
26:25so that you could see Formula 1.
26:27And if it were at the four of the afternoon, better.
26:29Because we gave us time to get the presentation of Formula 1
26:32on Saturday for the night,
26:33so we can see the race and go back to training.
26:35The future of Ronaldo is in Spain or in Brazil?
26:38Because in more than a time, he said that he will see the future in Brazil.
26:41Where do you think it will end?
26:42In the Corinthians, for example?
26:43In the Flamengo, we still don't know.
26:46He has made a great structure in the Corinthians.
26:50We all know that he is flamenguist,
26:52he will end up there as director or president of the Flamengo.
26:56But his business is here in Europe.
26:58I don't think he will leave me alone here.
27:01So I have to stay here in Europe better.
27:03Do you imagine going to work with him in the future?
27:05In the directives of a club or something?
27:09Here, from Madrid, I don't leave.
27:10Even if I want to leave here, I don't leave here.
27:13I have my life here.
27:14My job is here.
27:18And if Ronnie goes to Brazil,
27:20I every week send him a plane ticket
27:22with the family to come here.
27:23Because here is his case.
27:25And to return here.
27:26Because here is true that he has good friends.
27:28The president Florentino is a very good friend.
27:30Yes, yes, yes.
27:31Ronnie doesn't have enemies.
27:33Ronnie doesn't have enemies.
27:36And I think if he calls someone,
27:39I will visit them,
27:40the doors will always be open.
27:41In the Barcelona, he leaves enemies.
27:43He did a lot for the club,
27:45I don't think he will close the door.
27:46He gave a lot of titles and many goals to Barcelona.
27:49And there are great people too.
27:51And he calls themselves.
27:53They say that's true,
27:56Isn't it?
27:57That's true,
27:58really morning is a great,
28:00And it is good,
28:12inaudible perver
28:15and you can reverse and you can do it again.
28:17I said, Ronnie, you don't have done anything.
28:19You have a fear of doing surgery.
28:21I did it here because I had to do it here.
28:23But I don't think that it gave me a knuckle.
28:29Because Ronnie, I don't believe it.
28:31I don't believe it.
28:32Is there any active player that reminds you of Ronaldo?
28:37Is there any inheritance now?
28:39No, every player has their own way.
28:42There are great players there.
28:43You know what they are.
28:46But like Ronnie, there will not be.
28:50Like Ronnie, like Pelé, like Maradona, like Jisoo, like Zico, Totti, De Stefano.
28:59There are people unique.
29:01And there will not be another player like Ronnie.
29:03Is there in that Olimpo?
29:04Yes.
29:05It's unique.
29:06I've had the luck of playing with him.
29:08I've seen things and I've played with many other players.
29:10Los Landeros.
29:10Vaníster, Roy, Raúl, Morientes, Romario, Ronaldinho, Rivaldo.
29:16and each one with their characteristics, but the number nine is wrong, no there is.
29:24Roberto Carlos, it has been a pleasure, we have learned a lot of Ronaldo with you and we have spent
29:28very well.
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